Vince Vaughn: scripts of his TV appearances

Garry - Did you here that guy? I still can't believe you're 'The Mummy'.

Two last picks

Peter - I understand you have a basketball team.

Garry - I understand you're wearing no make-up, is that true? He is wearing no make-up, can we talk about that?

Peter - Is it true that you...

Vince - Is it true?

Peter - That you have a good shot? Is that, did I hear you say that?

Garry - I'm a better basketball player than...

Peter - Than you look? Is that, is that what you, no, I'm serious Garry, I'm just curious to know.

Garry - Well, I look a little different when I'm playing basketball.

Peter - Who else plays in the game?

Garry - Oh, no, that's, I wouldn't discuss who plays ya know.

Peter - Have you played in the game?

Garry - Does Sally-Jesse Raphael ring a bell to you?

Peter- Oh, really?

Garry - Yeah.

Vince - And you match up with her right? You man on when it's you and her on the court.

Garry - We're the 2 last picks.

Vince - Yeah.

Improv

Jon - You've guested on, on Larry Sanders right? You were on there, I remember that.

Vince - Yeah.

Jon - It was very funny, you were on it, you were hilarious. Have you ever been on it?

Cheri - No, never asked.

Jon - I was on it and he said I wish you did the show, you should have done the show.

Garry - That's right. I said how is it possible you never did the show?

Jon - And it turns out, I did do the show.

Vince - But, that's humor, he knows you did the show.

Garry - No, I still don't remember.

Jon - I played a writer, I wasn't famous enough to play myself like you two.

Vince - Did you have a scene with him?

Jon - No.

Vince - Well, that's why.

Jon - He fast forwarded...

Vince - It's a big show, he's got a lot of responsibility.

Peter - Oh, you didn't have a scene with him.

Garry - I don't remember.

Peter - Well, how he can remember...

Jon - It was a tape and I found the thing, I was really excited, my father's favorite show, and I was the one, I think Henry Winkler was on

Vince - I learned a lesson doing that show. So it's like in between things and I, I've always liked Garry a lot, I thought he was funny and so I thought I'm gonna do some joking with him like I'm, improv.

Jon - You were a guest on the show.

Vince - I was a guest and it was like we were doing like a thing, it was like taping the interview, as if I was being interviewed, ya know. And then I started joking with Garry like trying to be funny and do stuff and he just smoked me. Remember that, I came back and I said I thought it was so funny I loved it so much.

Garry - What do you mean?

Vince - Just verbally, smoked me.

Garry - In a bad, in a good way

Vince - In a great way, in a funny way, in a really funny way.

Jon - He calls you the Sheriff by the way.

Vince - I called you the Sheriff for that.

Jon - Did you know that, that's your nickname, that's your handle.

Garry - Yeah, I know he does call me that.

Peter - Oh, so he out-quicked you.

Vince - He out-quicked me.

Garry - It makes me extraordinarily uncomfortable and, I prefer Marshall.

Peter - I tell ya, he's very, very, very quick.

Vince - But he was very sweet with it. I was laughing, he got me to roll. I was laughing he was sweet with it, it was funny.

Jon - But he was and you two also were breaking each other up on the set of 'Made'.

Peter - No, I never broke up at him.

Vince - You broke me up though, you broke me up.

Peter - I never broke up at him at all as a matter of fact.

Vince - How about you lost the carpet cleaning van you cocksucker, only one time he improved that off camera, you remember? And if you watch the movie you and me both are this close to laughing.

Peter - I think it was very apparent at the time, but if it wasn't I'll tell ya now, you went up my ass, believe me. I want to tell you that. Because you didn't stick to any of the lines and I was talking, it was my speech.

Vince - Here's what my problem was, can I share with you? Favreau kept coming up to me going it's like story time when we stick to the script, do something to throw him off, get something real out of him.

Jon - He's kidding.

Vince - And a lot of... no, that's what Favreau said, so Favs was like ya know do something and make him react differently and the weird thing in the editing room

Jon - I figured you worked with Cassavetes, you could carry me.

Vince - The weird thing in the editing room, Jon would go to like before they yelled action and after they yelled cut to get some, to get some, to get some of your reactions.

Jon - It's not true.

Peter - Garry you should not stick to one line, not one line.

Vince - I had too much fun, I had too much fun with you.

Peter - No, but he interrupted me, I mean constantly.

Vince - Yeah, but I had to, I had to, I had to.

Peter - Constantly. Not once or twice, alright 3 times is funny. We're talking, we're talking 9-10 times, I can't get out

Vince - The first few times I was hoping he was gonna turn the corner into something funny, where's this going, and then after a while I was like, you know what I mean.

Cheri - Yeah.

Vince - Like Joe Lewis tap dancing for, for nickels. I was like...

Cheri - You can't help it, you're a pro, you're a pro.

Garry - How long does it honestly take to get the food? Did you, did you, if you um, you know what he's probably getting make-up. Did you, did you improvise, so seriously you improvised a lot I really wanted to know that.

Jon - Yeah, we went basically by the script, but then we embellished.

Peter - Right.

Garry - It was great and then you would, it was great.

Peter - We embellished, he threw out and created a new, that's the difference. I enjoyed it with Jon, I enjoyed it with Jon.

Vince - You didn't enjoy it with me?

Peter - No, you're a hog.

Vince - Yeah, yeah.

Peter - I'm telling you the truth, you are a hog.

Vince - Oh, here's Manny with our waters.

Big dippers

Peter - There was a quote in the paper today.

Vince - Oh, this is fascinating.

Garry - Oh, this is.

Peter - No, no, no. This is, this is. There's a baseball player, a baseball player said about this other guy, this other...

Vince - Another baseball player or just some civilian, who was he saying it to?

Peter - Another baseball player, and he said this other baseball player, he gets a hit about as often as I have Thanksgiving dinner.

Vince - He is my man, he is my man, Peter's my man.

Garry - Tell him the story about the calendar section today. No, he's got he was into this earlier.

Vince - I love this story let's hear it again. I love this one, the calendar story.

Peter - You don't know it.

Vince - I don't know it. I didn't read it, I don't read.

Peter - No, no. I was telling, I thought this was interesting about the big dippers. Did you read about the big dippers? You know what a big dipper is?

Vince - Yeah, it's up in the sky, it's a star.

Peter - No, that's, that's not... Do you know..

Cheri - Not that dipper.

Vince - Not what you call the big dipper. I hope you are not gonna talk about what you call your big dipper. Your big dipper, are we gonna talk about your big dipper?

Cheri - Tell me what it is.

Jon - I'm like the big man of the show.

Peter - A big dipper is, those are those movies that come out and the first week do 80 million dollars and then the second ...

Vince - And I was way off base thinking the big dipper could be astrology or the stars, I was way off

Peter - People are interested in what I'm saying, why don't you let me finish?

Vince - 'Cause you said I was a hog and I didn't want to make you look like a liar.

Peter - Well, you are a hog and you're showing what a hog you are.

Vince - You know what the one baseball player said about the other one?

Cheri - I think that's interesting it's called a big dipper. I never heard that term.

Peter - I think that's funny, explain to me what they mean by about the fact that these theaters, they can run every half hour that in order to get that 70 million in one week.

Jon - Well, they probably put it on multiple screens in the same theater, so that you have a film starting...

Peter - Excuse me, I'm looking for my napkin.

Jon - Alright Manny.

Peter - Here we are, say it again, I'm sorry.

Jon - I think the way that it, on 'Made' we had a very good per screen average, but it's really per theater. So they'll run it on like three screens in a theater so you have a show starting every half an hour and that way they sort of stack the deck so they can make it...

Peter - Well, his point was that the studio executives understand that the kids want to see it the first week.

Jon - That's right.

Peter - Is that true?

Jon - A certain age group does, yeah, like the 17 year olds.

Peter - They want to see it the first week, therefore if they can show it every half hour then they'll get a big gross. Is that right?

Jon - Yeah, but now back when you were, I mean, back way back, when you started off in the business a movie would play for like a year, right? You'd have limited release, you'd have it on a few screens in every city. I think 'The Godfather' ran for like a year.

Peter - Yes.

Jon - Right, at that time, so it was a different business then.

Peter - The content of the movie is becoming irrelevant.

Jon - It's the trailer.

Peter - It's the trailer and they can get, they can do, how would, what did we do this weekend? The first weekend what did we do? We did 70 million, 70 million? Well, it's not bad is it? What about next week when we drop down maybe 35, so we get over 100, 105 million, so we're not in trouble, so they know that right? They know they're gonna do that.

Jon - You know how much we made?

Peter - How much?

Jon - 4

Peter - 4 million?

Vince - We're still going, we're still going.

Jon - We're still going.

Peter - Already?

Vince - Which is good for a small film.

Peter - We made 4 million dollars already?

Jon - I think we did.

Vince - Peter, what was the release on the Cassavetes films? Did you guys get wide releases with those?

Peter - Well, you know on the, John was the first guy...

Vince - Was 'Woman Under The Influence'

Peter - John, he's something like, uh, like uh, he's something, we made that picture, we each put up a hundred and a quarter (125,000), so the whole picture cost 250 (250,000) and then he decided he, he'd distribute it himself, now he's up there on the phones to all over the country.

Jon - He's four-walling it.

Cheri - What's that mean?

Jon - They would book, they would rent out the theater, put the movie in the theater and then they would just collect money on it as they would put on a play.

Peter - Actually, I made money on the god-darn picture. I did. That, you see, that is being truly independent. That's a truly independent picture because you're not beholding, you're not beholding to anybody. It's his money and my money.

Vince - Right.

Peter - He was beholding to me.

Vince - And vice-versa.

Peter - And vice-versa.

Jon - And the audience, you know, 'cause if the people didn't come out, it wasn't well received, then you're, you're stuck. 'Cause that's a lot of money.

Vince - That's the chance that you take. You believe in the material and that's the ultimate sort of, ya know, passion to say, I'm gonna put my own finances on the line because I believe enough to make this movie.

The decoy

Jon - I was just at a barbecue and, uh, Chazz, I guess you worked with Chazz Palmenteri on um, hurly burly

Garry - Hurly Burly yeah.

Jon - And they said that they would like joke around on the set but they said that you were trying to come up with all lines. And they said what's the funniest suicide note you could write? Do you remember this?

Garry - Yeah, I once wrote a suicide note that said, I'm not mad at anyone this is just something I want to do for myself. I'm real quick off camera 'cause so insecure on camera that I come off and I go, then, I try to be funny.

Vince - But you're funny on camera, you're funny on camera.

Garry - I'm funny off camera.

Cheri - You're funny on camera, but I was surprised that you were funny off camera.

Garry - Yeah, no, no, there should be two cameras to get the, I don't like it seriously, there should be, there should be, it should be like a decoy say, ya know, cut and then keep, then film.

Peter - Right.

Garry - Does that make sense?

Peter - Yes.

Vince - Did you hear about the calendar section?

Chow

Jon - They have puppy play days in Hollywood, which I've never heard of before.

Cheri - Only in, in Hollywood.

Jon - Somebody invites you over to play, to have your dogs play, but it's only a certain age group and you are not allowed...

Cheri - They have to be, yeah, a certain age group because, uh, sometimes puppies if they're with a bunch of other adult dogs and they haven't had all their shots yet they can catch something so...

Garry - So you chose to adopt?

Cheri - Yes, I did 'cause I can't have a dog of my own.

Garry - Yeah, it's so hard to have a dog.

Cheri - Oh.

Garry - You can't actually have a dog can you, you can have a dog so that's you actually they leave you no choice but to, that's why dogs have low self-esteem and will, you know, will listen to what you say and everything. Because they're lucky to have a home.

Cheri - Uh, huh.

Garry - Because I, ya know...

Cheri - Especially a rescue and they're doubly lovely, loving. Doubly loving.

Jon - Yeah, but your dog is half chow and half...

Cheri - Not half and half, I was gonna say, I think golden retriever, but no one really knows.

Jon - But that's interesting to me because the chow, I think, bites more people than any other breed of dog.

Vince - No, no, that's a misunderstanding. I'm mad at that too, I'm mad at that too. I'm sick of that, I'm sick of the chow getting a bad rap. That's bullshit, that's bullshit.

Bigger than life

Vince - I think you on the show 'Saturday Night Live', one of the funniest people to come out of there in a long time. Is it harder, as a girl then, to get a big comedy movie opportunity than it is for a guy since it seems like the guys that come off right off the bat they, sort of, have a, a comedy and for girls you don't really see that for girls coming off the show, even in past years you don't really see it.

Cheri - No, not many people write things, uh, funny for a female lead, um, usually it's, um, it's something that the girl is just adorable in, ya know, so it's, um, it's not really funny coming from her. But, no, I don't think most writers really write with the woman in mind and...

Jon - And even when they do, I think, with you too, you struck me as somebody who left the show when, like, you were, you were in every scene, everybody like loved you, you were like one of the, one of the, one of the anchors of the show. Seriously, there's always a few, there's a lot of people on the show and you kinda left right in your prime and before people got sick of your stuff, and I think that a lot of the times on that show a lot of people stay for a long time 'cause it's a great place to work and I think that's when...

Cheri - No, it's not.

Jon - Well, it's a great opportunity, it was a dream for me.

Cheri - It's an amazing opportunity.

Jon - I always wished I could be on that show.

Cheri - It's an, you know, it's funny how many people say that they always wished 'cause they, everybody grew up watching it, you know, at some point or another and they wished that they, um, they were on it. I remember when Jim Carrey did the show he said 'this was the biggest dragon for me to slay because I auditioned and didn't get it', that hurt never went away.

Jon - But that, that's SNL. It's like for somebody from, as I was in Chicago at Second City washing dishes and the big dream was to get on stage and get on the show, like, like Chris Farley.

Cheri - And you know what it is amazing, especially to do live theater like that. I went straight from doing theater to doing SNL and the only thing, the only difference was cameras in the way and so Lauren used to always say to me, 'Cheri, do you know where your camera is?' and I'd say yeah I, 'no you don't, no you don't'. Because I would always play to the audience 'cause I was just so used to it, I wasn't playing to the camera.

Jon - But just like you learn, like how to switch from stage to the, to the small screen, you know, it's like going to the big screen and it's just a different level to play. I mean, you, you would know that better than anybody. You went back and forth so much from, I mean, how is it different for you performing when you're in a film as when you were on television?

Peter - Well, in the beginning, you know, I , I, when you were on the stage and you came before the camera you felt much more free on the stage than you did in the middle and you're in front of the camera, you're more constricted. Then after awhile, then you realize that when the camera is up close to you, you were able to be even more, much more subtle than you could ever be on the stage, so now shift it now you like the camera better. You can't go to the stage once every 10 years, that's bullshit, you, uh, you really have to do it on a regular basis in order to really be a fine theatrical actor.

Cheri - Because it's so hard to make the switch from...

Peter - Because, um, in the theater, the theater you really have to be bigger than life. Those are the only things, that's why you should go to the theater, you want to see a character that's real size.

Sensibilities

Garry - What are you doing next? Are you able to start right up on something else? Do you feel like you wanna start right up on something else, or what?

Jon - I do, I, I, my money comes from writing mostly.

Garry - Right, you're a terrific writer.

Jon - And the acting is, thank you, and the acting is something I try to be more selective about. I don't make a lot of money from it, 'cause most of the projects I like to do are, are, don't pay a lot 'cause a lot of them are independent.

Garry - When you finished 'Made', did you feel like you wanted to start, did it energize you did you feel like you wanted to start up again and write another movie and...

Jon - Well we just finished, I mean 'cause we just right now,

Vince - finished the DVD

Jon - Just finished doing the commentary for the DVD. Which is a lot of work too, 'cause we've so many stuff deleted and we did commentaries and it was like a journey for us for over a year just getting, writing it, developing it, and so now I'm sort of like, I'm writing some stuff for studios now and I'm thinking of what the next thing to do is for us because, you know, the way we like to work is, is we kind of like to keep creative control over what we do and the only way to really insure that, we've been through it developing stuff for studios, we've been through it a lot of different ways, the most effective way is just to write a script that we like and present it and say 'who wants to shoot this and how much will you back it up with as far as a budget' and feel comfortable with that.

Garry - So, have you started one?

Jon - I haven't started writing yet.

Garry - How long will it take you to write it?

Jon - Once I, once I know what I'm writing, about a month for us.

Vince - He writes so quick, how long did it take you to write 'Swingers', 2 weeks right?

Jon - 'Swingers' was 2 weeks.

Peter - No.

Jon - 'Made' was a little over a month, yeah.

Cheri - Wow.

Peter - That's amazing.

Garry - Wow, that's amazing.

Vince - For Favs, I think he's always kind of thinking of stuff so when it comes out it's pretty quick, you have most of it in his head.

Jon - I'll research, I'll like rent every DVD that relates to the movie, I'll go online at night and just, just read and the internet's great because it leads you down different paths and gives you ideas that inspires you. But always, it's always to show Vince, I mean when I wrote 'Swingers' it was to show Vince and see if he thought it was funny.

Cheri - You are so unselfish.

Peter - No, but when, when you write he's not in the room, you do that by yourself.

Jon - No, but I give it to him and I know if he thinks it's funny, like the ending of 'Made' changed completely based on him reading this, he said 'I don't buy this it should go more like this'.

Peter - The ending that I read originally was as a result...

Jon - As a result of his input. See the thing is Vince and I will fight like cats and dogs over the smallest things, but if we're ever on another project our sensibility is like exactly the same. So if I do a movie and something he doesn't like in my movie I know it's the same thing I won't like and the same thing with his. You know, we just have very similar sensibilities about what we buy, what we don't buy.

Garry - How did you find each other?

Jon - On 'Rudy' we met on the set of, on the set of 'Rudy'.

Garry - I'd forgotten that.

Peter - When you work on these pictures here, you don't know who's the director. I, I was, I knew he was the official director, but he's, he, the two of them, you're not sure who's the boss.

Vince - That's also 'cause Favs is so sort of, I think, including with stuff, like he doesn't, I think a lot of, sometimes the best directors I've worked with will take ideas from places, people who get very controlling, I find, usually are somewhat insecure, even someone who's done good work sometimes can be in a position where they're that way.

Garry - Cut, I'm sorry.

Dessert

Garry - Hey, who here, uh, isn't looking for love? Seriously.

Vince - Manny, Manny.

Cheri - He's had it, he's had it.

Jon - Do you guys want dessert of coffee or anything like that?

Garry - Isn't that what it comes down to, Peter?

Manny - Rum cake, chocolate....

Garry - I wanna talk about that, will you help me?

Cheri - He's got a great woman at home.

Vince - Let's do that.

Jon - Why don't you bring a couple desserts out with some forks and we'll...

Cheri - You have got it at home.

Peter - No let's, let's address this, this is...

Garry - Isn't that the bottom line of why we're driven to do what we do? And we have this film and so forth, am I right? Isn't that the bottom line? We're looking for love.

Peter - That's what every Cassavetes film was about, the same thing, so that you know that somebody said that 'man is God in ruins' and John, uh, you know, he saw the ruins with a clarity that you and I could not tolerate.

Vince - Right, right.

Peter - But he was attracted to the God part, to the love, part, to what you just said.

Garry - Right.

Peter - I think he wanted to be recognized and he wanted people to appreciate it but he also he was very willing, in the name of his obsession, to make a fool of himself.

Garry - Charles Dunning once said to me 'how do I, why do you still go on stage' 'cause he loves doing theater and he said 'you know the moment that I'm on stage having a real moment, in front of a live audience I don't feel alone'. That's what I'm talking about. I'm asking in general about actors.

Vince - I think there's truth in it but, I think it's individual, I don't know if it's that you could say that's it for everybody, I don't, I don't know if you can, I think there's a part of that in it for everybody. But, that's probably true for whatever type of work or craft that you do.

Peter - I was just going through my mind, if I see something that I did and I really like it I get a kick out of it, now the people don't really respond in the same way, they don't like it, would I prefer that to something that I did that I really don't care about and they're yelling and cheering, I would like the first one better, so, uh...

Garry - I agree completely.

Jon - I think for me it's a two, it's sort of there's two aspects, one is that you wanna challenge yourself and go beyond what you've done before so you feel like you're growing, and then the other thing I admittedly, I love it when people like what I do, I come from doing comedy, if you're getting laughs you're doing good, and I think a lot of the problems I have, a lot of independent films and films in general, you know, especially independent films where it becomes very self involved is it's not for me, it's not for the audience, it's for the filmmaker.

Cheri - Right, it's self indulgent.

Jon - And by the same token, when they over test a film then it becomes about what everybody likes the most, I don't like that either. But, I like when a movie specifically touches me in a way that other people might not like either.

Cheri - Because there is a vulnerability in it that's one that I can always tell, and in an actor and in film writing is when there is a vulnerability there everybody feels it.

Gerry - How long does it take to get, seriously, the check? How long, 'cause otherwise you know, I'm gonna talk about love and God until the check comes.

Jon - No, I like, I like what you're saying, it's interesting.

Cheri - Keep going.

Garry - I'm asking, I don't know, I don't know.

2003-03-03 DINNER FOR FIVE (2° season)

by Nezee

hosted by Jon Favreau

With special guests Vince Vaughn, Rory Cochrane, Cole Hauser, and Brian Cox.

Filmed at Zucca restaurant in Los Angeles.

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Vince Vaughn: (To Rory) What are you most proud of, you're performance in Dazed and Confused? It's a great performance.

Jon Favreau: That was good.

Vince: Great.

Rory Cochrane: I've had a couple of good runs, ya know.

Jon: (joking to Rory) That's the exception.

(laughter)

Jon: CSI, Dazed and Confused, let's list the good ones(?), Love and a .45.

Vince: He's always good. He is always good.

Cole Hauser: (talking through Jon) Let's break it down.

Rory: Don't do it to me, babe.

(laughter) -shows Cole bending down to pick up a folder

Jon: He's getting out the bio.

Brian Cox: What is it? Oh, I see. That's you. (points to folder)

Rory: Well, I can get my bio out too, I got mine. - Yours is edited, your fuckin' bio, I know it. (points to Cole)

Cole: (reading from bio) His first roles included a part in a docudrama about drugs on Saturday Night with Connie Chung in 1989 and an appearance in an episode of H.E.L.P.

(looks at Rory) Let's talk about help. (laughs)

Rory: Can I get some help? Listen, yours is f*ckin' edited cause I know. I know that, that...

Cole: Mine's edited?

Rory: ..the movie you did with the tail, that's not on here. (turns to Jon) Where's his sheet?

Vince and Jon: What movie with the tail? (laughing)

Cole: The tail?

Rory: That little ducktail you had (gets interrupted)

Jon: Tail on the back of his head.

Cole: Oh yeah, that's uhh, that's uhhh, that's uhhh...

Rory: (interrupts) Yeah, let's talk about that.

Cole: ...Do The Right Thing or some shit. (laughs) I don't know what the name of that one is.

Jon: (to Cole) So you worked with Singleton, and you're gonna work with Singleton again huh?

Cole: I'm working with him now actually, yeah.

Vince: That's why you're here and your eyebrows are such as they are.

Brian Cox: (to Cole) Oh we've been in the same film!

(everyone laughs)

Cole: Is that right?

Brian: Yeah, I didn't even realize we were in the same film.

Rory: (in background) That's how the world works.

Brian: This is really weird.

Vince: Which film? Jon: What movie? (said simultaneously)

Brian: A film called, well it was called The Cup, it's now called....

Cole: Oh yeah,yeah, yeah...

Brian: A shot at Glory.

Cole: ...you played the (?something?) manager.

Brian: What did you play?

Cole: I played Kelsey, the goalie.

Brian: You...Ohhhhh...you had that...Oh I remember that horrible day.

Cole: Which one?

Brian: When they knocked goals at you.

Cole: Oh yeah, in Hamden(?)

Brian: That was horrible. That was horrible, in Hamden Park.

Cole: Yeah, I had Rangers - real, professional....

Vince: This the Duvall film?

Brian: Oh my God, I remember it now, it was horrible. I felt so sorry for you.

Vince: (to Cole) So Duvall called you and asked you to come play a goalie?

Brian: It was terrible.

Cole: Yeah.

Vince: ...and you've never played soccer...?

Cole: No, no I played soccer all my life. But these guys are pro. I'm talking about I played soccer from like 11 to 13.

Brian: Oh my God, I forgot that.

Vince: (playfully lays his head down) That horrible day!

(laughter)

Brian: This was a horrible day. And I felt so sorry for him (points to Cole) because the guy, the guy who's playing, who was kicking...

Cole: Ally McCoist

Brian: Ally McCoist, who's like one of the hero's of Scottish football.

Cole: He's the best Scottish football player ever lived.

Brian: Ever, ever.

Vince: And he was taking shots at you?

Brian: But he was supposed to, he was supposed to miss the penalty. But he couldn't resist putting it past.

Cole: It was like his little Scottish way of being a prick bastard. (laughter) You know what I mean, like aww f*ck you Americans.

Brian: (laughs) Nooo.

Cole: Let me tell you something (Brian tries to speak) No, let me tell you something...

Brian: It's muscular memory. When you've got muscular memory you've got to score.

Cole: (speaking at the same time as Brian) He's a prick c*cksucker for that, but the thing is that it is so easy to shoot a penalty kick by anybody. Number One, none of the professional goalkeepers can stop penalty kicks. Every once in a while they get their hands on the ball.

Vince: Well, it's a guessing game, you either dive left or right, right?

Cole: You either go left or right.

Vince: What do I know about soccer? I play the video games. (shows Jon laughing)

Cole: Yeah, but I mean the thing is is that to be fair, back me up (said to Brian), if you're a goalie, it's like maybe 1 out of 10 you might stop.

Vince: (in the background) Is that true?

Brian: Oh no, you're right. No, no it's absolutely right.

Cole: I mean it's literally, it's from here to that light right there.

Brian: He's absolutely right. He's on the money on that one. You're absolutely right.

Cole: ...and it's like, you guess and you go. And you know it, it,

Vince: It's like a bad game of (Wo ? Bo <--I have no idea what he said!).

Jon: (in the background) Not 1 out of 10 though.

Cole and Brian: Yeah.

Jon: I watched the World Cup, it wasn't 1 out of 10.

Cole: Let me tell you something, the only guy I ever stopped was this guy who actually played for the Rangers. And he, uh he...I just guessed the right way and I stopped it and they kept it in the movie.

Jon: Vince had an experience with Rudy, with the uh, with the football stuff.

Vince: Well, I didn't even have the experience. They wouldn't give me a shot.

Brian: Are you talking football?

Jon: American football.

Brian: Ahh yeah, exactly. (laughs)

Jon: Our first film together, ahh, was Rudy. We met. I didn't get to play a football player. I was all excited. He got to play a football player and run out of the tunnel. Notre Dame, a lot of tradition.

Vince: But, it, it started off to be like a fun thing and then it turned sad for me.

Brian: You were a football player, you played football.

(everyone laughs at Vince's last statement)

Vince: American football, yeah.

Cole: That's the same way it started with me.

Brian: But you played before, you played...

Vince: I played in high school. I played 7th and 8th grade and my freshman and sophomore year of high school.

Jon: He missed the bus. (says to Vince) Wanna tell that story?

Vince: I wanted a starting position in high school and I missed the bus that day. And Favreau, i've told Favreau that story...

Jon: And I put in the movie, I put it in Made.

Vince: ...put it in Made. But, so we come out..so, we get halftime at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is you know...

Brian: Yeah, I know. Famous Catholic University...

Vince: So, so at halftime we get to come out of this particular game. There's too much to fill the stands with extras, it's a large stadium. It's cold too. So they let us come out for halftime. We have a chance to run, I think, two plays or three plays. So there really can't be any mistakes because...

Jon: Plus the entrance, the big entrance. Don't play that down, cause that's a big deal.

Vince: That was a big deal, but then it turned, that was like a good thing and it was like judo(?). All that momentum hurt me all the more. (Jon laughs) So what they say, we have like three chances, three plays they had and they couldn't afford any mistakes because they had this certain amount of time because obviously they had to stay with the program and let the real players come out and play. So, on the day i'm excited. I have an option pass that i'm going to throw. Which is, i'm playing a flankerback, get a pitch, pull up, throw the ball. And they pull me aside on the day, and they say look Vince we can only get a couple of cracks at this, run out of the tunnel, get in the huddle, get excited and then sneak off the field this way. (laughs and points left) And another guy- who was like an ex-college football player- is gonna come in and actually throw the pass for you. So like in front of all these people, I come running out, Go Irish!, i'm excited. haha, Ra Ra! and their all kinda, and then I have to run out of the huddle like this, quietly and hide and so the other guy comes in and throws the ball. (laughs) And Favreau teased me, the first time me and Favreau hung out...

Jon: We hung out in L. A.

Vince: ...he was teasing me in front of friends of mine how I...he said, "You can't throw a football. Who are you kidding? That's why they had this guy do that." And I poured a drink on you.

Jon: He poured a beer on me. (laughter) That was our first night hanging out.

---Auditions---

Vince: You beat me out for uhhh (points to Cole)

Cole: Yeah, Dazed.

Vince: Dazed and Confused. (Cole laughs)

Jon: I would say you were still in a funk when we worked on Swingers from that whole, that was part of the experience that...

Vince: Fuck, I think that for all actors you go, I was at a stage where, not just that movie but four or five films, I would come in second for. You know, it'd be me and another guy and I wouldn't get it. So it's like playing sports or anything else, if you're close - you strike out, you gotta forget that and go about your work - the process...

Jon: (in the background) It's like the Buffalo Bills.

Vince: ...But see auditioning is different because people that are strong auditioners, they can get to a certain level very quickly and be comfortable with something but for me, it takes me alot longer just to daydream and think about it, imagine -whatever to actually get to a set and feel prepared to actually commit to playing a character and understanding it. And I think that, so when you go into an auditio, it's sooo. You're not really working from the place you're used to working from, where you're just sort of, i'm playing this character, here's my backstory, this is what matters -whatever. You're going and trying to win a part and alot of it's just the b.s. in the room. Do I shake his hand? Do I (make?) this guy this? What are they looking for? Ya know, such a strange, ya know, mixed bag of what they're looking for.

Cole: Yeah, does he have blue eyes or have brown eyes, red hair or brown hair.

Rory: But, I think unfortunate luck for an actor builds character and I think it's a blessing in disguise. I really do.

Brian: Yeah, but it is - so much of it is about. I used to do audtions cause I taught, have taught alot. But what used to happen is you used to have kids come to the audition and they would never get further than the tube(?) station. Like for, there was a girl who came five years running and she couldn't get any further than the tube station cause she always threw up...

Vince: Wow.

Brian: And so she finally arrived and she was like (demonstrates severe shaking) that.

Vince: Bless her heart man.

Brian: She was completely like that. And when I, just calm her down, quietly take her outside and just say, "It's okay. It's fine. We're on your side, we want you to make your best." Come in. And finally she got in. She got in the school. So...

Vince: What do you think that fear's base in?

Brian: Its based on because, it's based on the notion of failure. Which is a big problem for an actor.

Vince: But, failure of giving a performance, or you think a failure of being accepted? Or...

Brian: Failure of being accepted. I think it's failure of being accepted more than anything else.

Vince: Or maybe, maybe it's a fear of actually being successful.

Brian: Well, ayyy. That's a bit too sophisticated. (Vince tries to interrupt) I think it's really fear of being a failure, that you yourself have failed, that you yourself have let yourself down.

Rory: Plus you're putting your neck out, your body. It's not like your not, hey this is my craft that I built, this is like your Hey, how ya doing. (gestures)

Brian: Exactly.

Vince: But I think there's something to the fact too, that when you grow up and you're not really growing up in a place where, uh, everyone in your family is an actor or an artist or a singer and it's not really your reality and you sort of put a lot, uh, of importance on what that would be like as something that you'd love to do.

Brian: That's right.

Vince: There's something very scary about them doing it. Because there's something in a way that's safe about it having be a dream that's not attainable.

Brian: Exactly. (Brian tries to talk more but Vince just keeps on talking.)

Vince: So there's a fear I think of actually now i'm going to do this in my life, allowing yourself to have your life be better.

Brian: And that's sick(?) making. Alec Guiness. Alec Guiness was notoriously the worst auditioner ever. I mean he used to be violently ill.

Vince: (in background while Brian is talking) Good actor.

Rory: Well it goes, the whole audition process goes against what you're taught as an actor. And if you're not taught it just still goes against it, your instincts. You're in a room with somebody who's answering the phone, who couldn't give a shit about you. You're reading off some..

(inaudible as Brian cuts in)

Brian: Well that's particularly bad over here.

Vince: Do you love the move where they get a phone call, you're in the middle of a reading and they get a phone call and say, "Can you hang on a second?"

Rory: (laughs) That's happened to me.

Vince: And they get on the phone and their like, "I know, he was such a jerk at the party", and they would roll their eyes like they want to get off the phone.

---Bathtub Scene---

Jon: (to Rory) You fall in love on the set.

Rory: Jesus Christ.

Jon: You do. Don't you?

Rory: With you.

Jon: I never have. (Rory laughs) We fell in love on ummm...

Rory: Talk about how we....

Jon: ... perhaps the worst movie.

Rory: ...how we were doing the movie and not only did the SAG dog make more money than us (Jon laughs) right, per day, the f*cking SAG dog was there.

Vince: What movie was this?

Jon: This was Hickenlooper's thing. (referring to Dogtown.)

Rory: Then before the take he would go, "Do the Dazed and Confused shit. They responded to that, they like that. Do the Dazed and Confused shit."

(everyone laughs)

Vince: Right before your take?